June 28, 2005

Kata — good or bad?

Is kata good or bad? Kata, or forms, are the practice of a set of pre-defined moves, usually done alone. When I studied Aikido Kokikai, I was struck by the lack of kata. This is typical of many styles of Aikido (though there are some, such as Tomiki Aikido, which apparently use them). In my current study of Gu Lao Wing Chun, I found that, again, I don’t have kata. In this case, it’s a little unusual compared to other styles, as the most popular styles of Wing Chun use three basic forms.

The purpose of kata or forms varies, depending on what you’re studying. Some use them to illustrate proper execution of technique, or proper footwork. Others use them to develop internal strength. In styles that use them, kata are considered a basic step in learning any art. You have to master them before you master anything else. To the very end, Yip Man (a legend in Wing Chun and the source of most Wing Chun in the US today) would do forms, spending long periods of time on specific parts. Though he had practiced them for all his life, he still found things to learn.

The Karate Kid, Part III showcased kata as a means towards calming the mind to win a fight. Yeah, even they didn’t know quite how to show the value of learning kata.

The problem is that some McDojos use kata as a way to collect fees. By teaching the same form for years on end, they slowly milk people out of money. Plus, the very notion that katas are done alone for the most part makes one wonder how it develops any self defense application whatsoever: if you don’t spar with someone, how do you know if a technique works?

I don’t think kata is necessarily bad, despite many opinions to the contrary. The way I look at it is as a physical handbook to moves for an art. Rather than pass along written pages, you pass along the forms. The trick is to realize that there’s no such thing as a “perfect” way to execute techniques (they always vary on application), and to not use it as a substitute for other training. Training in kata alone will probably not yield much result for the average person in terms of fighting proficiency.

Many arts, after all, find that you have to “train out” what you learned in kata, to develop good, flowing movement for fighting. It seems kind of counterproductive to learn a form, only to have to unlearn it later.

I’d still find the study of the sil nim/lim tao, chum kiu, and bil gee sets of Wing Chun fascinating, just as a way to see the catalog of different moves. I’d just hate to have to spend years learning them, only to have to unlearn them.

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    Joshu,

    Nice inside thought on ‘Kata’, even got me rethinking about the 3 forms we perform in our Wing Tsun training.

    My opinion about them, is that they are more as a reference guide. A guidline on how some key hand moves or stances are performed.

    Even the most basic thought is put into the forms, like how do we hold the Wu Sao… the importance of the center line is apparent.
    Without the form it can also be taught, but the form will give a student a system to correct wrong positioning on his own.

    That is my view anyway ;)
    Greets
    Depechie

    Comment by Depechie — June 30, 2005 @ 4:50 am

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    To some extent I agree — there is certainly something to be said for kata in terms of emphasizing position and placement.

    My worry is when static movements are translated into dynamic ones. Movements in kata, after all, are quite different from movements in chi sao or sparring. Often, movement from kata will need to be unlearned and adapted, in order to have true, flowing movement.

    You probably also develop good movement just through drills. I find kata more interesting than just doing drills, though in the end, aren’t all katas merely long drills? ;)

    Kata / forms are neither good nor bad — just a different way of understanding. Just my opinion, of course!

    Comment by Joshu — June 30, 2005 @ 10:12 am

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    Martial arts is often practiced for mental defence - self esteem and not so much for physical defence. (It is very much better to avoid situations where one would need to defend by using skill you have learnd.)

    Question of Kata is a very good one and there is no one answer. If one is lets say a sports karateka who compites only in free fights, kata might not be the best way to practice (well it might be something good to anyway.)

    Why do he do kata? To learn a technic you have to do the technic 10000 times. After that you have to repeat it to stay in shape. Kata is good so that we can compine technics. It is no use to repeat one technic - we need to be able to do compinations.

    BUT for me kata is a rutine. It is a good way to stay in shape. It is like a morning exercise. In thaichi you do the same “kata” for a very long time. In karate you can change katas quite often. Learn mayby 10 - 20 katas if you want to. (I think that 5 - 10 is quite enough.)

    Why should we do kata - because it is fun!

    Comment by hannu leinonen — July 5, 2005 @ 11:03 am

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